CM Podcast 215 – The Dark Phoenix Saga Part 2

Welcome back to the 2nd half of our discussion on Chris Claremont and John Byrne’s seminal X-Men storyline: The Dark Phoenix Saga.

In this podcast, we pick up were we left off: The X-Men escaping the clutches of the Hellfire Club and heading back to the X-Mansion. During their flight back, Jean Grey loses control of the Phoenix and the Dark Phoenix emerges…

As you can tell from these covers, the X-Men do not have a good time when the Dark Phoenix is around. The Dark Phoenix attempts to kill all the X-Men, then she goes and snuffs out a galaxy and finally the X-Men have to fight for their lives and the fate of Jean Grey…on the moon. There is a lot of story and we try to cover all of it and more in the podcast.

We also take a look behind the scenes to find out what decisions Editor-in-Chief Jim Shooter and co-plotters: Chris Claremont and John Byrne made to come to the epic conclusion of the X-Men story.

Towards the end of the podcast, I explain why the Legion of Superheroes (group on the left) look a lot like the Shi’ar Imperial Guard (group on the right).

If you have never read the Dark Phoenix Saga, we highly recommend checking it out. You can read it digitally through Marvel.com or buy a trade paperback like we did. Thanks for listening and we will see you next week.

Your comics pal,

Jim

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CM Podcast 214 – The Dark Phoenix Saga

Since the movies have tried to do a version of the Dark Phoenix Saga twice (X-Men 3 and Dark Phoenix) and have failed both times, Jon and I have decided to talk about the original comic series the story is based upon.

The original Dark Phoenix Saga is officially considered to be issues #129 – 138 (Jan – Oct 1980) of Uncanny X-Men. The creators of this story are:

Writer: Chris Claremont

Artist: John Byrne

Inker: Terry Austin

The unofficial start of Jean Grey’s transition into Phoenix.

This story originally starts as a subplot with Jean Grey in issue #101 (Oct 1976) when Marvel Girl rescues some astronauts. In saving the lives of these people, Jean Grey unwittingly allows a cosmic entity called the Phoenix Force to enter her body. Over the next few years, the X-Men (specifically Scott Summers and Charles Xavier) will notice changes in Jean Grey’s behavior.

It won’t be until issues #129 – 132 when Jean drastically starts to behave differently and is seduced by Jason Wyngarde (Mastermind) of the Hellfire Club. Jon and I go over the history on how Chris Claremont and John Byrne were inspired by the show The Avengers for the concept of The Hellfire Club and the characters.

Here is how they appeared in the comic…

left to right: Jean Grey, Jason Wyngarde, Sebasitan Shaw, Harry Leland and Donald Pierce

But did you know that these characters where based on real life actors? It’s true. Here are John Byrne’s inspiration…

We explain the connection of these actors to their comic counter parts and how Byrne came up with their comic character names.

We go over some history and some of the story on why this is one of the greatest comic stories ever told. This is only part 1 of the conversation. We will continue this next week with the conclusion of the Dark Phoenix Saga and why TV and movies always get the adaptation wrong.

Your comics pal,

Jim

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CM Podcast 191 – Xmen God Loves, Man Kills

I love doing comic reviews and I especially love it when it’s a comic that I have heard about but never had the opportunity to read until now. This is one of those podcasts.

X-men God Loves, Man Kills is the 5th comic in the Marvel Graphic Novel series that came out in 1982. The original is hard to find but, thanks to reprints – you can get a cheap version of it today and, depending on which version you get, you’ll get bonus art and interviews with the creators.

On the left is the original copy of the comic that came out in 1982 and on the right is the current reprint that I purchased. The story was written by long time X-men scribe, Chris Claremont with art by Brent Anderson.

What also makes this a unique podcast – Jon actually read this comic originally when it came out. HE ACTUALLY READ A COMIC THAT I HAD NOT READ! This is a rare feat.

In the podcast we talk about what makes the Marvel Graphic Novel series so special and what was happening in the world during 1982 that actually influenced the comic. There is some reminiscing and shouting – you know, our usual comic talk.

Then we get into talking about the comic. We are introduced to Reverend William Stryker. He is a televangelist that loves God but is not found of mutants.

Stryker apostatizing humanity over mutants

Stryker, in fact, hates mutants with all his might…

I like how Nightcrawler is like “What did I do?”

As you can see in 2 panels that Reverend William Stryker is a very bad, no-good, terrible person and you will find out just what lengths he will go to to eliminate mutants from the face of the earth. If Stryker seems familiar to you, that is because the story from this comic was used in the movie X-men 2 AKA X2. William Stryker is the name of the main villain in the movie.

We talk about the story, its message and our thoughts on Stryker and his army called The Purifiers. We do spoil the story but if you saw X2, you already know how the story goes.

That’s it for this week.

Your comics pal,

Jim

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CM Podcast 188 – 4th Annual Hazie Awards

We started a tradition 3 years ago on the podcast called The Hazies where we did a review show for that previous year but we disguised it as an award show.

We still give out the same Hazie as we did back then. Here is a photo of it:

Everyone does year end reviews about the “Best Comics” of that year but we already spend the whole year telling you what comics you should be checking out so why be boring and tell it to you again. Jon and I decided that since it is the Holidays, we want it keep it light and make the last podcast of the year just one big party. This was the inception of The Hazies. This is our 4th Annual Hazie countdown and we create some “Awards” aka jokes for the Comic Industry (more like, at their expense).

See who won the Hazies for:

  • I’m All About The Foreplay
  • Circle of Jerks
  • That Not So Fresh Feeling
  • I Can’t Feel My Brain

and more! Grab a beverage of your choice, sit in your most comfortable chair and have a laugh with us at The Hazies.

Your comics pal,

Jim

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CM Podcast 155 – New Comics Review

In our last New Comics Review, we did mostly independent titles so we decided to do some Marvel and DC new comics this time around.

There are 4 reviews this week and here are the titles:

  1. Writer Jason Aaron with Artist Ed McGuinness for Avengers #1 (Jim review)
  2. Writer Charles Soule with Artist David Marquez and Paulo Siqueira for Hunt for Wolverine (Jon review)
  3. Writer Tom Taylor with Artist R. B. Silva for Adamantium Agenda (Jon review)
  4. Writers Joshua Williamson, James Tynion and Scott Snyder with Artist Francis Manapul for Justice League: No Justice (miniseries) (Jim review)

The downside of some of these books is that Marvel and DC are renumbering their flagship titles again (Marvel’s Avengers #1 and DC will relaunch Justice League at the end of No Justice as a #1) but the creators on these books and the stories that they are telling make this change a little easier to swallow.

The upside is that Avengers #1 is a great starting point for non-comic readers who saw Avengers: Infinity War and want a jumping on point for the comics.  Same thing for Justice League: No Justice.  Both books introduce you to the core members of each team and show you what else is hiding in the shadows of their perspective universes.

The Wolverine books bring you up to speed on what has happen to Wolverine since the evens of Death of Wolverine and Legacy.  These books bring back familiar faces of villains and heroes of the mutant universe.

Jon and I were both very excited about the books we picked and hope that you find some new reading material.

PS – Sorry to Justice League: No Justice – I referred to the enemy characters as “Doom Titans” but they are actually called “Omega Titans“.  That’s why we call the podcast Comics Misremembered.

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CM Podcast 94 – Logan Movie

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So I am trying something new with this post and putting the podcast at the start.  Hope you like it.

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There are 3 people on the podcast this week: Jim, Jon and Rick.  You may remember Rick made his debut appearance on our Podcast for Captain America: Civil War movie.

This week we are talking about Logan – The final Wolverine movie.

Rick was so excited about the Logan movie that he asked if he could join us.  So of course Rick was welcome to record with us on this podcast.

This is a spoil filled show so do not listen if you plan on seeing the movie in the near future.  Lots of discussion and debate and a few comic book references.  Enjoy.

Your comics pal,

Jim

CM Podcast 93 – Disappointing Comics

Has this ever happened to you: There is a major announcement about a writer/artist/character that really excites you but when you get the final product and finish reading it, you are left wanting?

Well, it has happened to Jon and myself a few times.  This week, we recount 3 comics that we were psyched about reading but at the end of the day, we were disappointed.

Jon will cover 2 miniseries and I will do 1.  Here are the books we will be talking about:

From left to right:

  • Death of Wolverine
  • Final Crisis
  • Wolverine: Origin

Why did these comics that had all the right ingredients turn out so badly?  We will give you the answers.

We will be back next week with a review of the movie, Logan.

Your comics pal,

Jim

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CM Podcast 54: X-men Apocalypse Movie Review

It’s the beginning of the Summer Movie push.   Captain America: Civil War came out and was spectacular.  The next major comic franchise is X-men Apocalypse and it is…good?  Good.  It’s good.  I can confidently say it is a good movie.

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Why is it good and not great?  Well, we review the pros and cons of the movie in the podcast.  We also give a quick history of Apocalypse in the Marvel Comic Universe and is he the same character in the Fox Movie Universe.

**Major Spoilers Ahead**

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In order for Jon and myself to give you an informed opinion about the movie and why we only think it’s good, we have to talk about the plot and characters so this is your warning.  There are many spoilers in this podcast.

Thanks for listening and see you next week,

Your Comics Pal,

Jim

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CM Podcast 28 – Age of Apocalypse

It’s another trip back in the Comics Misremembered time machine.  Next stop, 1995 – Grunge rock is king, flannel is what you are wearing and you are super interested in the upcoming Marvel Event: Age of Apocalypse.

It’s the summer time so that means Marvel is putting together another mutant crossover event that will run through the summer months and into fall.  Marvel has been doing this for years up to this point and the events have been decent.  This new one, Age of Apocalypse seems different though since it starts with the cancellation of all the current 1995 roster of mutant books.  What??!

Join Jon and me as we fire up our neurotransmitters and misremember the Age of Apocalypse crossover event and what we really liked about it.

The event started with Alpha:

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And ends appropriately with Omega:

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We highly recommend checking out all the books that are part of this series and see how it will compare with the upcoming summer Fox movie Age of Apocalypse.

Your comics pal,

Jim

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The All New, All Different… MARVEL! (I am starting to have doubts).

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You have probably already seen the promo pictures at Marvel.com or over a dozen web and social sites.  It’s the All-New, All-Different Marvel!  Why when I look at these pictures I am getting a sinking feeling that most of these changes will not be for the better.  Here is the gut feeling that I get when I look at these photos:

The Good

  • The are bringing back Wolverine, Hyperion and Spectrum – supposedly, these 3 characters were dead but now they are all alive with the reset of the new marvel universe.
  • More diversity – X23 is now the new Wolverine, the new Ms. Marvel will be part of the new-after-Secret Wars-Avengers and they are introducing a native american hero.  Add these new heroes to the recent Thor, Spider-Man and Captain American changes and you can see that Marvel is really committed to having a universe that better reflective of the real universe.
  • The Thing will now be a Guardian!  This seems like a logical choice – The Guardians of the Galaxy are a bunch of misfits that all have good hearts and like to save… the  galaxy.  Blue Eyed Ben Grimm is a good fit on that team!!
  • I like that they are bring back Citizen V.  Does that me the Thunderbolts are coming back?

The Bad

  • Agent Coulson – Is it me or does anyone else have a problem with Marvel hammering the Cinematic and Television Universes into the Comic Universe?  Come on, Marvel – Let’s keep the moving media and the static media separate.  No need to put these characters into the comics.
  • Getting rid of the mutants and the Fantastic Four – Where are the other members of the X-men and the Fantastic Four?  I know that Marvel had made some bad movie deals with Fox and Sony so now they are marginalizing the presence of X-men and Fantastic Four (and Peter Parker too) but some of us fans still love these characters.  Let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater, Disney/Marvel.
  • Stephen Strange… with a battle axe?!  Why would the Master of the Mystic Arts need a physical weapon?  I am not too sure I like this.
  • Teenage-Angst Karnak – I have been told that the person in the hoodie and jeans is Karnak – one of the inhumans.  Why does he look so moody?  Karnak is a martial arts master, not a teenage mutant ninja turtle!
  • I don’t know if I want to read a Vision comic.  I like Vision in an ensemble book.  I don’t know how I will like him in a solo book.

The Odd

  • Why is Iron Man in both pics?  Are there 2 Iron mans… er, men?
  • Why are you changing Daredevil’s costume?  Is it because the show because the show is closer to the all red costume.
  • Well, that’s all I have for now.  How are you all feeling about these changes?

– Jim