Welcome back to the 2nd half of our discussion on Chris Claremont and John Byrne’s seminal X-Men storyline: The Dark Phoenix Saga.
In this podcast, we pick up were we left off: The X-Men escaping the clutches of the Hellfire Club and heading back to the X-Mansion. During their flight back, Jean Grey loses control of the Phoenix and the Dark Phoenix emerges…
As you can tell from these covers, the X-Men do not have a good time when the Dark Phoenix is around. The Dark Phoenix attempts to kill all the X-Men, then she goes and snuffs out a galaxy and finally the X-Men have to fight for their lives and the fate of Jean Grey…on the moon. There is a lot of story and we try to cover all of it and more in the podcast.
We also take a look behind the scenes to find out what decisions Editor-in-Chief Jim Shooter and co-plotters: Chris Claremont and John Byrne made to come to the epic conclusion of the X-Men story.
Towards the end of the podcast, I explain why the Legion of Superheroes (group on the left) look a lot like the Shi’ar Imperial Guard (group on the right).
If you have never read the Dark Phoenix Saga, we highly recommend checking it out. You can read it digitally through Marvel.com or buy a trade paperback like we did. Thanks for listening and we will see you next week.
Since the movies have tried to do a version of the Dark Phoenix Saga twice (X-Men 3 and Dark Phoenix) and have failed both times, Jon and I have decided to talk about the original comic series the story is based upon.
The original Dark Phoenix Saga is officially considered to be issues #129 – 138 (Jan – Oct 1980) of Uncanny X-Men. The creators of this story are:
Writer: Chris Claremont
Artist: John Byrne
Inker: Terry Austin
This story originally starts as a subplot with Jean Grey in issue #101 (Oct 1976) when Marvel Girl rescues some astronauts. In saving the lives of these people, Jean Grey unwittingly allows a cosmic entity called the Phoenix Force to enter her body. Over the next few years, the X-Men (specifically Scott Summers and Charles Xavier) will notice changes in Jean Grey’s behavior.
It won’t be until issues #129 – 132 when Jean drastically starts to behave differently and is seduced by Jason Wyngarde (Mastermind) of the Hellfire Club. Jon and I go over the history on how Chris Claremont and John Byrne were inspired by the show The Avengers for the concept of The Hellfire Club and the characters.
Here is how they appeared in the comic…
But did you know that these characters where based on real life actors? It’s true. Here are John Byrne’s inspiration…
We explain the connection of these actors to their comic counter parts and how Byrne came up with their comic character names.
We go over some history and some of the story on why this is one of the greatest comic stories ever told. This is only part 1 of the conversation. We will continue this next week with the conclusion of the Dark Phoenix Saga and why TV and movies always get the adaptation wrong.
We started a tradition 3 years ago on the podcast called The Hazies where we did a review show for that previous year but we disguised it as an award show.
We still give out the same Hazie as we did back then. Here is a photo of it:
Everyone does year end reviews about the “Best Comics” of that year but we already spend the whole year telling you what comics you should be checking out so why be boring and tell it to you again. Jon and I decided that since it is the Holidays, we want it keep it light and make the last podcast of the year just one big party. This was the inception of The Hazies. This is our 4th Annual Hazie countdown and we create some “Awards” aka jokes for the Comic Industry (more like, at their expense).
See who won the Hazies for:
I’m All About The Foreplay
Circle of Jerks
That Not So Fresh Feeling
I Can’t Feel My Brain
and more! Grab a beverage of your choice, sit in your most comfortable chair and have a laugh with us at The Hazies.
Marvel and DC crossover comic events are very rare nowadays but that was not always the case. In fact, 20 years ago was one of the best Marvel/DC comic events that ever happened and it was called the Amalgam Universe!
These Amalgam comics were the result of a battle between the Marvel and DC universes…
The champions fought each other in a limited series called DC Versus Marvel (or Marvel Versus DC depending on which issue you were buying). The heroes battles each other and it caused such a mess that is smashed the 2 universes together in 1 amalgamated universe.
Jon and I reflect back on the events that lead up to the Amalgam Comics to be published. This will be a 2 part podcast so tune in next week for part 2.
Hello Comic Misremembered Podcast fans! Welcome to the newest edition of the podcast. This week we pay tribute to one of the greatest comic series that seems to be coming to an end in October and that is Uncanny (Extraordinary) X-Men.
In the July Previews, there are no listing for X-Men books for October and 1 listing for a book called “Death of X” which leads us to believe that Marvel and Disney are officially getting rid of the X-Men once and for all.
We decided that if Marvel is killing the X-Men then we are going to give them a decent Wake and remember (or misremember) some of our favorite moments in X-Men comic history.
Join us as we eulogize one of the greatest comics teams that have ever existed.
It’s the beginning of the Summer Movie push. Captain America: Civil War came out and was spectacular. The next major comic franchise is X-men Apocalypse and it is…good? Good. It’s good. I can confidently say it is a good movie.
Why is it good and not great? Well, we review the pros and cons of the movie in the podcast. We also give a quick history of Apocalypse in the Marvel Comic Universe and is he the same character in the Fox Movie Universe.
**Major Spoilers Ahead**
In order for Jon and myself to give you an informed opinion about the movie and why we only think it’s good, we have to talk about the plot and characters so this is your warning. There are many spoilers in this podcast.
It’s the end of 2015 and instead of doing a lame top 10 or 20 list of comics that you should have read like other sites and podcasts, we decided to come up with our own award show for the comics and publishing companies of 2015.
We are calling the award “The Hazie” because it fits with our theme of barely remembering the stories of comics that we have read. We had a great time coming up with creative categories in which we “award” comics, creators and companies for the material they put out in 2015.
Here is an artist rendition of the much coveted Hazie award:
(This is not actually the award. Maybe we will have an actual award next year.)
We had a great time recording this podcast. So much so, that we had to break it down into 2 parts. Here is part 1 of our Hazie Awards.
It’s another trip back in the Comics Misremembered time machine. Next stop, 1995 – Grunge rock is king, flannel is what you are wearing and you are super interested in the upcoming Marvel Event: Age of Apocalypse.
It’s the summer time so that means Marvel is putting together another mutant crossover event that will run through the summer months and into fall. Marvel has been doing this for years up to this point and the events have been decent. This new one, Age of Apocalypse seems different though since it starts with the cancellation of all the current 1995 roster of mutant books. What??!
Join Jon and me as we fire up our neurotransmitters and misremember the Age of Apocalypse crossover event and what we really liked about it.
The event started with Alpha:
And ends appropriately with Omega:
We highly recommend checking out all the books that are part of this series and see how it will compare with the upcoming summer Fox movie Age of Apocalypse.
Jon says to me he has an idea for this week’s podcast. I say lay it on me! He wants to talk about our memories on comics in the following areas:
First comic that turned you on to mainstream superhero comics
First independent comic you bought
First comic you bought that no one knew about and suddenly became very popular
I liked this premise so we set up the recording equipment and started downloading our minds reliving some of our earliest memories about comics.
Part 1 – The first comic you bought that turned you on to mainstream comics.
You will be shocked to find that our first mainstream comic had to do with mutants!
Jon’s is New Mutants – the early 80’s new mutants to be exact. It was written by Chris Claremont and the 2nd year was drawn by Bill Sienkiewicz (Sorry, Bill for totally destroying your last name in the podcast). Here is the cover to New Mutants # 18 with art by Bill Sienkiewicz.
My comics was Uncanny X-Men – #176 to be exact and that was also written by Chris Claremont and drawn by John Romita Jr. Here is the cover to that comic that I described in the podcast.
Part 2 – Your first Independent Comic AKA Your first Non-Marvel, Non-DC comic
Jon’s is the well-know and influential Dave Simms‘ comic – Cerebus. He remembers reading it in collected trades instead over the single issues. Those trades were quite expensive back in the day. Today, there are plenty of independent comics that have mature themes. Not back in 1983 – there were only a handful of titles by small publishers and Cerebus was the most well know out of that group. Here is a copy of the very first issue.
My comic was the very awesome Eagle Comics – Judge Dredd. Man, I loved this comic back in the day and I am so glad that I was able to buy these American comic reprints. Highly recommend this series for anyone that wants to start reading Judge Dredd. You can’t believe how psyched I was to hear they were making a Judge Dredd movie in the 90’s, only to find out it was the quite terrible Sylvester Stallone version. What teenage boy would not buy this comic after seeing this cover:
Part 3 – The first comic you bought that no one knew about and then suddenly was very popular.
I am not going to post these 2 comics because you should really listen to the podcast but I will give you a tease for each of our picks.
Jon’s pick is not well known outside of the comic world but if you have been collecting for a few years, you have definitely heard of it. It was published by an independent, had a small print run and featured Sword and Sorcery elements. The first few issues sold out fast and the price to by back issue shot up astronomically. It is a good pick.
My pick started as a small, independent book over a decade ago and then in recent years exploded in popularity. The book is still being published today and if I told you the name, you would definitely be familiar with it.
Have we piqued your interest? Well then you should hit the play button and listen to the podcast right now!!
Welcome to the mid-week comic post. The topics is still the creator, John Byrne.
Part 2 of the podcast continues the discussion of Byrne and Claremont’s run on the Uncanny X-men and Byrne’s final story arc: The Dark Phoenix Saga.
Then we focus on the next book Byrne takes over: The Fantastic Four. He takes over writing and drawing the book starting with # 232 and ending with issue #295. This was a 5 year story run and it has some of the greatest Dr. Doom stories ever. I go into detail on some of these stories. This run was also a change in the dynamic of the team. Traditionally, the Fantastic Four was always: Mr. Fantastic, The Invisible Girl, The Human Torch and the Thing. Byrne’s new line up is: Mr. Fantastic, changing The Invisible Girl into The Invisible Woman, The Human Torch and adding She-Hulk in place of the Thing. At this time, The Thing has left the Fantastic Four and goes on his own solo adventures in his own book (which was also written and some issues drawn by John Byrne). Also, I meant to say “The Trial of Reed Richards” and not “The Trial of Galactus”.
Jon (not John Byrne) then gets started on Alpha Flight, a book Byrne drew and wrote at the same time as the Fantastic Four (who does this? No one anymore!). We learn about Guardian, Snowbird, Aurora, Northstar, Puck and Sasquatch.
I add in this podcast that John Byrne does a short art run on the Avengers prior to the Fantastic Four and one of the characters he helps create (with Roger Stern) is Scott Lang – The 2nd Ant-Man.
Here are some of the covers that we talk about:
1) The infamous and often duplicated Uncanny X-Men #141.
2) The comic cover that turn me on to John Byrne and the Fantastic Four – Fantastic Four #268
3) The very funny Fantastic Four #275 when a adult magazine gets a photo of She-Hulk topless and how she handles the publisher at the end of the issue is classic.
Enjoy the second part of this 3 part discussion on John Byrne,