Hello and welcome back to the 2nd and final part of our discussion on the epic miniseries Crisis on Infinite Earths that came out in 1985.
The series was written by Marv Wolfman with art by George Perez (pencils) and Jerry Ordway (inks). It was originally published by DC.
We do a quick recap and then get right back into the discussion of the story. Issue #7 is perhaps the most important issue of the series. It is where we get the origin story of Monitor, Anti-Monitor and Pariah. It is also has the death of an important member of the DC Universe – Supergirl.
You knew something bad was going to happen just by looking at the cover to issue #7…
Look at the way Kara looks in Superman’s arms and the way that Superman is crying. Those are tear of pain. Everyone thought “Supergirl must get hurt pretty bad in this one.” No one expected a death! That was unheard of for a popular character to die in comics but DC and Marv were rewriting all the rules, baby!
I mentioned that this cover is also one of the most parodied covers in all of comicdom. I did a quick google search and her are some the the “homage” covers that I found…
There are many, many more that exist out there. It just goes to show you how influential this series and George Perez’s art was this this time.
There is another death too in issue #8. An even bigger death! Listen to the podcast to find out who!
At the end of the podcast, Jon and myself reflect on the series and give you the answer on “Would you recommend the series?” Our answers may shock you.
(in the podcast I mention we are recording in 2017. This is a misremebrance. We actually recorded this on 11/24/2019)
Last year the CW shows (Arrow, Flash, Supergirl and Heroes of Tomorrow) did a crossover event – Elseworlds. At the end of the crossover, they teased their next crossover with this static image:
We were like “Are they actually going to do this? This story? On the CW shows?!!”
The original, seminal comic miniseries Crisis on Infinite Earths came out in 1985 and it was one of the first “maxiseries – anything over 6 issues”. It was an epic tale and was a huge undertaking for the writer and artist. In this case:
Writer – Marv Wolfman
Artist – George Perez
Not only did these 2 creators tell a tale that spans dozens of worlds, with hundreds of characters over millions of years but it also served a purpose of realigning the DC universe to streamline it for new readers without alienation long time fans. It accomplishes both by the twelfth issue.
Here are some of the covers of the original miniseries:
In this week’s podcast, Jon and I go over the history of why Crisis on Infinite Earths was necessary to clean up continuity. We talk about our own histories on how we discovered the comic. We talk about the story and characters.
We can’t really say there are spoilers since this story is 35 years old and the basis on future Crisis events like Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis. In fact, all the plot twist that happened in this series have pretty much been retconned 3 or 4 times now.
Join us next week for the conclusion of our discussion on Crisis on Infinite Earths!
Back in 2017, I saw a trade paperback for a books called Sugar & Spike: Metahuman Investigations. The cover looked interesting but what caught my eye was the writer – Keith Giffen.
Keith Giffen is a well known writer and artist that has worked on high profile books like Legion of Superheroes and JLA. He is one of my favorite writers because he loves to inject humor in his projects. The 80s JLA is a great example of telling superhero stories with humor instead of the normal grim and gritty style that was popular at the time.
I wasn’t too familiar with the artist Bilquis Evely but I looked at a few pages and really liked her style for this book so I immediately picked it up.
Now, you may not be too familiar with the titular duo and that is okay. These characters were created back in the 50s by writer and artist Sheldon Mayer. They were originally baby characters that were in a funny book. Here is an example of Mayer’s version of Sugar & Spike:
In the podcast, Jon and I go through Sugar & Spike’s cases and we point out that all of their cases are based on silly DC silver age story lines and Giffen pays homage to these classics. One of the pages of the comic references the exact comics:
We both highly recommend this book for the art and humorous story. Jon mentions that this book reminded him of the old Moonlighting show and that is a great example of why this book works: a pair of opposites begrudgingly work together to solve crimes while knocking each other down a peg.
There probably will never be a sequel or follow up so I will just have to enjoy what I have and re-read it again.
Superheroes are very popular right now, so why not throw them into a horror movie? That’s what you get with the new superhero horror sub-genre movie, Brightburn.
Technically, Brightburn is not a super”hero” movie. More of a super”psychopath” movie but the marketing is saying superhero so that is what I am writing. Jon and I saw this new movie, from producer James Gunn, and we talk about our expectations of the movie and what we actually thought about it after viewing.
*Spoiler Warning! We talk about plot points about the movie in the podcast*
The mask is a dead give-away that there is something not right with that Brandon Breyer boy. Glowing red eyes and that stitched up maw. He doesn’t look like he will be doing much “superheroing”. He looks like he wants to eat your liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.
Now the “Evil Superman” genre has been done to death in the comics medium. After we talk about the movie, we go on to talk about how DC has done multiple bad guy superman stories featuring characters like…
from left to right: Superboy Prime, Superdoom and Ultraman. Don’t know who these baddies are? We break them down for you and rate them against Brightburn.
We don’t stop there! We talk about Evil Superman pastiche that exist in other comics such as Irredeemable, The Boys and Marshal Law.
Then there are bad Supermen characters that I totally forgot and just remembered as I am typing right now like Nuclear Man from the Superman IV movie or Kid Miracle Man from Miracle Man (we did do a podcast on Miracle Man and do discuss Kid Miracle Man there). Our podcast is not a complete list of Evil Supermen but we just wanted to show you that this genre has been used so much that it is pretty cliche.
1992 was a very eventful year in comics. It was the death of Superman. What will Metropolis do? Who will protect the city from the forces of evil?
4 new challengers enter the fray…
The weeks that followed, readers of the Superman comics were introduced to 4 new defenders of Truth, Justice and The American Way. These 4 new heroes were (from left to right): Steel, Cyborg Superman, Superboy and Eradicator.
Fast forward to 2018, Warner Bros Animation release the Death of Superman movie and several months later, we receive the follow-up:
Reign of the Supermen Movie!
Jon and I have recently watched the movie and we go over how well the movie does to try to tell 4 origin stories and then try to introduce a major villain while giving a surprise reveal all within 90 minutes!!
Jon and I agree that overall, the movie is pretty good with its story and animation. I have some minor complaints about the origin of one of the Supermen but its not a deal breaker.
Here is a close-up of Cyborg Superman…
As you watch the movie, Cyborg Sups seems like he is the real deal but is he hiding a dark secret from Lois Lane and the viewers? If you listen to the podcast, you will find out.
Lastly, we do have some Spoilers regarding the plot of the movie. I don’t consider spoilers since the movie is based on a comic that came out over 25 years ago. You have been warned!
We started a tradition 3 years ago on the podcast called The Hazies where we did a review show for that previous year but we disguised it as an award show.
We still give out the same Hazie as we did back then. Here is a photo of it:
Everyone does year end reviews about the “Best Comics” of that year but we already spend the whole year telling you what comics you should be checking out so why be boring and tell it to you again. Jon and I decided that since it is the Holidays, we want it keep it light and make the last podcast of the year just one big party. This was the inception of The Hazies. This is our 4th Annual Hazie countdown and we create some “Awards” aka jokes for the Comic Industry (more like, at their expense).
See who won the Hazies for:
I’m All About The Foreplay
Circle of Jerks
That Not So Fresh Feeling
I Can’t Feel My Brain
and more! Grab a beverage of your choice, sit in your most comfortable chair and have a laugh with us at The Hazies.
Heroes in Crisis is the new 9 issue miniseries by writer Tom King and artist Clay Mann.
It is published by DC and it is their 2018 event comic. How do I know it’s an Event Comic? Well, it does have “Crisis” right there in the title. I mean, that’s a dead give away right there, man. C’mon! Do you even comic book?
Enough of that silliness, let’s get back to serious business – talking about comic books! Jon and I had the opportunity to read the first issue of Heroes in Crisis that came out this past Wednesday and we decided to give it a review on the podcast but also take some guesses as to who is the murder. What? You didn’t know it was a murder mystery? Yep. There are many murders in this book and it was a hero that did it? (Or was it?)
Okay. Before we go too much further in the plot, let me just say right here:
THERE WILL BE SPOILERS IN THIS PODCAST!
Now, it’s just the first issue so I don’t know how much we can actually be spoiling but we do take some “stabs” at guessing who ultimately is responsible for the deaths at Sanctuary.
First Spoiler: There are 2 suspects that the reader is given at the end of the issue…
I know exactly what you are thinking: “Who is Booster Gold?” or “Hell Yeah, it’s Harley Quinn!” Both are valid points. Listen to the podcast and we give our opinions on who really is responsible for the murders. It just might change your opinion! We also go over a quick history of Booster Gold for those that need a refresher.
Heroes In Crisis is starting off with a bang (and a stab)! We look forward to the rest of the series. Also, if you want to know why “Crisis” is DC’s event brand, you should really listen to Podcast 132: CW’s Crossover Event: Crisis on Earth-X. I rundown all the related Crisis titles DC has published.
We will be going back to 2003, George W. Bush was in office, the US was administering shock and awe to Iraq and we have the official formation of the Department of Homeland Security.
There was a lot going on in the world, so it seemed like the perfect time for writer Mark Millar to pitch the Elseworlds tale “What if Superman grew up in 1950s Communist Russian?” Luckily for all of us, the DC editors gave him the green light.
This leads to a 3 issue Elseworlds tale entitled Superman: Red Sun. Written by Mark Millar with art by Dave Johnson and Kilian Plunkett.
These are the 2 Tradepaper back covers of the collected story. Both are done by Dave Johnson so you get an idea of how great it looks.
Jon has never read this story so he found it very shocking. I read it when it originally came out and recently reread it when I bought the TPB.
Jon and I had a great time going over the book and there are spoilers but we save them for the very end of the podcast and do warn you to stop listening if you are going to read it.
Back in 1992, DC comic creators had planned a story line where Clark Kent would finally marry Lois Lane after years of dating. This story was canceled at the last second due to a series of unfortunate events (which we chronicle in the podcast).
At the eleventh hour, the creative teams decide to go with a story line that was first suggested as a joke – “What if we kill Superman”?
This led to the infamous Death of Superman story line that ran for a few years through all 4 Superman books leading to the ultimate issue – Superman #75 where Superman finally dies…at least for a year or so. C’mon! No one stays dead forever in comics. 😉
Here is what Superman #75 looked like in it’s sealed black plastic bag and the actual cover.
Jump to 2018, WB video has just released a direct-to-video original movie called The Death of Superman. It is a adaptation of the multi-issue comic event that ends with Superman dying. (Spoilers!)
Jon and I have watched the movie, read the comic event and give a brief oral history on why it was a good idea to kill one of the most recognized comic creations.
SYFY premiered a new series focused on the history of Superman’s alien lineage called Krypton.
The first season recently ended so Jon and I have put this podcast together to talk about the good and bad of the show.
Before we get into it, let’s talk about the premise: The series takes place about 60 – 100 years before Krypton explodes launching Superman to Earth. The central character of the story is Superman’s grandfather, Seg-El.
Seg is a fun loving young person living his best life ever on Krypton only wanting to party all night and sleep all day. He is visited by a mysterious strange called Adam Strange(er) and he tells Seg that he will be related to one of the greatest superheroes of all time but he needs to rebel against the current Kryptonian theocratic political system in order for his great grandson to survive. The rest of the show features some twists and turns revealing many familiar faces from the comics and previous movies like this dude…
Krypton is a fun ride that takes you through Krypton’s history but needs to focus more on the characters and less on the chase. We discuss the good and bad on the podcast.
Superman Annual #11? That’s specific and yet random for a Comics Misremembered Podcast. Why are we talking about this one?
Glad you asked. Last podcast (159), I started to talk about Action Comics issue #1000 and I felt that it was a missed opportunity to tell a tale involving Superman to celebrate his life but also give new readers a little history on the character. It was a good issue but not a great issue. The stories did not live up to the milestone that Action Comics achieved, in my humble opinion.
Then I remembered reading Superman Annual #11 that came out in 1985. It was written by Alan Moore with art by Dave Gibbons (the creative team behind The Watchmen) and I remembered how much I liked that story.
Jon never read the comic, which is also know as “For The Man Who Has Everything“, so he read it and I reread it and we decided to talk about it and then start breaking it down as to why it is a great story. We also elaborate on why a story like this would be a great introduction to new Superman readers (even today).
We then breakdown how Alan Moore took stories that were happening in politics in the real world in 1985 and used this story as an allegory for Krypton. The messages Moore was trying to get across in the story are as relevant today as they will be for years to come.
Listen to the podcast and do yourself a favor and get a copy of this annual to read.
Remember that Flintstones episode where Fred gets the cops to sing the “Happy Anniversary” song to Wilma for their anniversary? What do you mean you don’t know what ‘Flintstones’ are? Well, go on Youtube and watch it. I’ll wait.
You’re back! Good. And you heard the song? Great. That song runs through my head every time someone mentions the word ‘anniversary’ and it’s happening now that I am going to talk about 3 recent anniversary issues:
Invincible Iron Man #600
Amazing Spider-man #800
Action Comics #1000
Jon and I reminisce about what we remember regarding anniversary issue back in the day and then we dive into talking about these 3 issues. The stipulation I give Jon on these comics is: If I was a new reader and this was my first issue reading about these characters, would I enjoy it?
I know that there are other anniversary issues that came out recently (Captain America #700 and Deadpool #300 to name a few) but these 3 issue illustrate what I think all milestone comics do: 1) the are the ending to an epic story line or 2) they are a starting on point to a new story line, direction or character (sometimes all 3).
I will tell you this regarding the 3 books: 1 is not very good, 1 is very excellent and 1 is a missed opportunity. Listen to the podcast to find out which is which.
In 2009, Mark Waid thought to himself “What if Superman was a complete bastard?” and this was the impetus for his original series – Irredeemable.
Irredeemable was written by Mark Waid with art by Peter Krause and it was published by BOOM! Studios. It ran 37 issues and it was a psychological profile on “What if a man with Superman’s powers used them for evil instead of good and why would someone do that?”
The main character of the story is a super powered hero turned ultimate villain by the name of The Plutonian and the comic starts at the point of the Plutonian suddenly behaving very violently and evil and the rest of the superhero community has to find out what happened to him. This comic starts at full throttle and never lets up.
Jon has never read the series so I gave him the trade of the first 4 issues and this is what we discuss in the podcast.
In our last New Comics Review, we did mostly independent titles so we decided to do some Marvel and DC new comics this time around.
There are 4 reviews this week and here are the titles:
Writer Jason Aaron with Artist Ed McGuinness for Avengers #1 (Jim review)
Writer Charles Soule with Artist David Marquez and Paulo Siqueira for Hunt for Wolverine (Jon review)
Writer Tom Taylor with Artist R. B. Silva for Adamantium Agenda (Jon review)
Writers Joshua Williamson, James Tynion and Scott Snyder with Artist Francis Manapul for Justice League: No Justice (miniseries) (Jim review)
The downside of some of these books is that Marvel and DC are renumbering their flagship titles again (Marvel’s Avengers #1 and DC will relaunch Justice League at the end of No Justice as a #1) but the creators on these books and the stories that they are telling make this change a little easier to swallow.
The upside is that Avengers #1 is a great starting point for non-comic readers who saw Avengers: Infinity War and want a jumping on point for the comics. Same thing for Justice League: No Justice. Both books introduce you to the core members of each team and show you what else is hiding in the shadows of their perspective universes.
The Wolverine books bring you up to speed on what has happen to Wolverine since the evens of Death of Wolverine and Legacy. These books bring back familiar faces of villains and heroes of the mutant universe.
Jon and I were both very excited about the books we picked and hope that you find some new reading material.
PS – Sorry to Justice League: No Justice – I referred to the enemy characters as “Doom Titans” but they are actually called “Omega Titans“. That’s why we call the podcast Comics Misremembered.
There is a war going on in comics and it isn’t Secret. It’s not necessarily a Crisis either. But it is a war that is being waged with dairy products. It will be known as The Milk Wars (we mistakenly call it the Milkman Wars in the podcast).
The Milk Wars are a cross comic event between DC’s Young Animals imprint and the New 52. Gerard Way (Doom Patrol) and Steve Orlando (Justice League of America) are the creators of this event. There will be 5 one shot comics that will be released in February 2018 that support it.
The first salvo in the Milk Wars is The Doom Patrol/Justice League of America one shot. It is written by Gerard Way and Steve Orlando and the art was supplied by ACO. Cover by Frank Quitely.
We give a review of this issue in the podcast along with Part 2: Mother Panic/Batman Special written by Jody Houser with art by Ty Templeton.
The war has just started and we are very excited about it. Now is a great time to hop on board the Young Animals brand of comics and read something that is more than super heroes comics.