Stan Lee founder and co-creator of a majority of the Marvel characters passed away on November 12, 2018.
Jon and I wanted to celebrate his life and legacy in this week’s podcast.
We go over his humble beginnings, why he changed his name from Stanley Martin Lieber to just Stan Lee, his military years, the artists he worked with and the characters he created, his philosophy on how to create comics and why he wanted to humanize his heroes, quick discussion on one of Stan’s favorite stories “The Galactus Trilogy” and his personal philosophy on how to treat others and why comics are a powerful medium.
We cover all this and more and we have a blast doing it.
Welcome to the mid-week comic post. The topics is still the creator, John Byrne.
Part 2 of the podcast continues the discussion of Byrne and Claremont’s run on the Uncanny X-men and Byrne’s final story arc: The Dark Phoenix Saga.
Then we focus on the next book Byrne takes over: The Fantastic Four. He takes over writing and drawing the book starting with # 232 and ending with issue #295. This was a 5 year story run and it has some of the greatest Dr. Doom stories ever. I go into detail on some of these stories. This run was also a change in the dynamic of the team. Traditionally, the Fantastic Four was always: Mr. Fantastic, The Invisible Girl, The Human Torch and the Thing. Byrne’s new line up is: Mr. Fantastic, changing The Invisible Girl into The Invisible Woman, The Human Torch and adding She-Hulk in place of the Thing. At this time, The Thing has left the Fantastic Four and goes on his own solo adventures in his own book (which was also written and some issues drawn by John Byrne). Also, I meant to say “The Trial of Reed Richards” and not “The Trial of Galactus”.
Jon (not John Byrne) then gets started on Alpha Flight, a book Byrne drew and wrote at the same time as the Fantastic Four (who does this? No one anymore!). We learn about Guardian, Snowbird, Aurora, Northstar, Puck and Sasquatch.
I add in this podcast that John Byrne does a short art run on the Avengers prior to the Fantastic Four and one of the characters he helps create (with Roger Stern) is Scott Lang – The 2nd Ant-Man.
Here are some of the covers that we talk about:
1) The infamous and often duplicated Uncanny X-Men #141.
2) The comic cover that turn me on to John Byrne and the Fantastic Four – Fantastic Four #268
3) The very funny Fantastic Four #275 when a adult magazine gets a photo of She-Hulk topless and how she handles the publisher at the end of the issue is classic.
Enjoy the second part of this 3 part discussion on John Byrne,
I have been reading comics for a few years now and have seen creative teams come and go from books. This is a fact of life in the industry. The team of writer and artist that is on your favorite book may not be there in a few years. When that creative team leaves, will you continue to read that book?
A recent example comes to mind: Jonathan Hickman was given the Fantastic Four to write about 4 or 5 years ago. I have always like the Fantastic Four and was excited to see what ideas Hickman would bring to the “Greatest Comic Magazine”. I was not disappointed. Hickman crafted a sprawling multi-year story arc that was epic in size and scope. One of the best runs on that title in years. He helped redefine the First Family of Marvel and breathed new life into a book on the verge of cancellation. But all good things must eventually come to an end. Hickman finally finished his story and moved on to the Avengers. Matt Fraction was the following writer. Nothing against Fraction, I think he is another great writer but the book wasn’t the same to me any more. I read a few more issues but finally left the book.
In our podcast this Sunday, I will be talking about another example like this but with a different writer and book.
Do you have any examples of books you left once the creative team changed?
You have probably already seen the promo pictures at Marvel.com or over a dozen web and social sites. It’s the All-New, All-Different Marvel! Why when I look at these pictures I am getting a sinking feeling that most of these changes will not be for the better. Here is the gut feeling that I get when I look at these photos:
The are bringing back Wolverine, Hyperion and Spectrum – supposedly, these 3 characters were dead but now they are all alive with the reset of the new marvel universe.
More diversity – X23 is now the new Wolverine, the new Ms. Marvel will be part of the new-after-Secret Wars-Avengers and they are introducing a native american hero. Add these new heroes to the recent Thor, Spider-Man and Captain American changes and you can see that Marvel is really committed to having a universe that better reflective of the real universe.
The Thing will now be a Guardian! This seems like a logical choice – The Guardians of the Galaxy are a bunch of misfits that all have good hearts and like to save… the galaxy. Blue Eyed Ben Grimm is a good fit on that team!!
I like that they are bring back Citizen V. Does that me the Thunderbolts are coming back?
Agent Coulson – Is it me or does anyone else have a problem with Marvel hammering the Cinematic and Television Universes into the Comic Universe? Come on, Marvel – Let’s keep the moving media and the static media separate. No need to put these characters into the comics.
Getting rid of the mutants and the Fantastic Four – Where are the other members of the X-men and the Fantastic Four? I know that Marvel had made some bad movie deals with Fox and Sony so now they are marginalizing the presence of X-men and Fantastic Four (and Peter Parker too) but some of us fans still love these characters. Let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater, Disney/Marvel.
Stephen Strange… with a battle axe?! Why would the Master of the Mystic Arts need a physical weapon? I am not too sure I like this.
Teenage-Angst Karnak – I have been told that the person in the hoodie and jeans is Karnak – one of the inhumans. Why does he look so moody? Karnak is a martial arts master, not a teenage mutant ninja turtle!
I don’t know if I want to read a Vision comic. I like Vision in an ensemble book. I don’t know how I will like him in a solo book.
Why is Iron Man in both pics? Are there 2 Iron mans… er, men?
Why are you changing Daredevil’s costume? Is it because the show because the show is closer to the all red costume.
Well, that’s all I have for now. How are you all feeling about these changes?