Welcome back to the second and final part of our discussion of Alan Moore and David Lloyd’s V for Vendetta comic miniseries. The 10 issue miniseries was published by DC back in 1982.
In part one of our discussion we covered: the uniqueness of Lloyd’s original black and white art and the problems with coloring it with DC. There are several literal influences in V for Vendetta but the political climate of the UK in the 1980s may have been the biggest influence on this comic.
We started to talk about the comic but we ran out of time. We picked up that discussion with Part 2. We go over who exactly Guy Fawkes is and why his mask is relevant to the comic. we get through the story and what we like (and dislike) about it but we feel it is still a very relevant comic that still need to be read.
we recently, watch the V for Vendetta movie and compare it to the comic. Jon and I have very different views about the movie and if it is faithful to the comic. Listen to the podcast to see who’s side you will take.
Overall, V for Vendetta is a good read with great art. It is not as ground breaking to comics as Watchmen but you’ll enjoy the ride.
The world is in a social crisis. COVID-19 is impacting everyone and we are all worrying about the future. Now seems like the perfect time to talk about a cheery subject – a totalitarian future were everyone’s freedoms are stripped away and there is no hope.
This is not entirely true. The is one hope – one man wages war on a despotic government to overthrow the tyrants and return freedom to the people. Hooray! We are going to be talking about V for Vendetta. A comic by writer Alan Moore and artist David Lloyd. It was originally published as a serial in a UK comic Warrior in 1982. DC converted it into a 10 issue miniseries in 1988.
I have been waiting for the perfect time to talk about this comic and now seems the best time. Jon and I share our history regarding reading this comic.
We talk about the history of the comic coming from Warrior and moving over to DC. The original David Lloyd art was in black and white and DC wanted it to be in color. Normally, this would not be a problem but Lloyd uses Negative Space technique for the black and white images and that will not look great with color. The colorists for the comic get around the problem.
We then get into world history of the UK in the 80s and how that would have a major influence on Moore and Lloyd on the creation of V and how their dystopian society looked.
We then get into talking about the actual comic (but not too much). We go over the first 2 issues. We learn about V, the main protagonist. Evey, a innocent by-stander that gets swept up by accident into V’s terrorist plot and finally, Mr. Adam Susan, face of the fascist regime that is controlling the UK.
This podcast is a great place to start if you have never read V for Vendetta. We don’t talk too much about the comic in this podcast but we are giving you a chance to read it and come back in a week for part 2. Next week, we will get into all of the comic and do a comparison of the movie to the comic.
Some bloopers in the podcast: This is podcast 256, not 258. Alan Moore wrote Swamp Thing not Swamp Men and there are probably a dozen others but I am too tired to address them. This is why it’s called Comics Misremembered.
In the podcast, I promised a link to Superman Annual #11 (Here) AKA “For The Man Who Has Everything”. Moore explores the same themes of nationalism and fascism.
Over the last few years, HBO has teased use with this image…
This is interesting. People never thought the original miniseries Watchmen would ever get a movie adaptation and it eventually did. Now, HBO wants to make it a TV show based on the original comic? This did not seem like a good idea.
The series was partially written and produced by Damon Lindelof, who has success, to varying degrees with other sacred franchises like Star Wars and Star Trek so he seems like the best choice for this series.
Time goes on and I have not heard a peep regarding the show until within the last few weeks. The premier episode was viewed at the New York Comic Con and fans got a taste of the new show and overall, the reaction was surprisingly positive.
Jon and I watched the premier episode, along with millions of other people and we came to the conclusion – The show was very strong and seems to have legs.
****SPOILERS AHEAD AND IN THE PODCAST****
In this week’s podcast we are going to talk about…
All of these images. We will try to answer questions like: Who is Looking Glass and what is his “Pod” used for? Who is Sister Night and are her origins tied to the original miniseries? Why are the cops wearing masks? Who are the Seventh Kalvary? We ask a whole lot more questions and look for clues on a few conspiracy theories like does the show really tie into the comic timeline or is it in it’s own universe?
Time Warner has a cool app called DC Universe that carries all the DC Heroes animated shows like Batman TAS, Superman TAS, Justice League Unlimited, and more.
It also has new and exclusive live action hero shows like Titans, Doom Patrol and Swamp Thing.
Jon and I recently subscribed to the DC Universe app to watch Doom Patrol (and we hope to review it soon) but we stated to like some of the other shows too. We both had little knowledge about Swamp Thing so we started to watch Season 1 and we both really liked it. We like it’s American Gothic setting and story. We like characters and the actors that played them. We like the special effects and the horror elements. We consumed all 10 episodes wanting more and we found out the Warner Media cancelled the series!!
In the podcast, we talk about what we knew about Swamp Thing prior to watching the show and what we really liked about the show itself. We also explain what Phantom Stranger and Blue Demon have to do with the show.
You don’t know about these 2 obscure characters are? That’s great because we share a little info on who they are and why they fit perfectly in the Swamp Thing show.
We lament on what could be with a Season 2 and other characters that would have been introduced like Anton Arcane.
We recommend checking out the DC universe app and the Swamp Thing show now before it is removed. Maybe if enough people watch the show, we can get a 2nd season!
Superman Annual #11? That’s specific and yet random for a Comics Misremembered Podcast. Why are we talking about this one?
Glad you asked. Last podcast (159), I started to talk about Action Comics issue #1000 and I felt that it was a missed opportunity to tell a tale involving Superman to celebrate his life but also give new readers a little history on the character. It was a good issue but not a great issue. The stories did not live up to the milestone that Action Comics achieved, in my humble opinion.
Then I remembered reading Superman Annual #11 that came out in 1985. It was written by Alan Moore with art by Dave Gibbons (the creative team behind The Watchmen) and I remembered how much I liked that story.
Jon never read the comic, which is also know as “For The Man Who Has Everything“, so he read it and I reread it and we decided to talk about it and then start breaking it down as to why it is a great story. We also elaborate on why a story like this would be a great introduction to new Superman readers (even today).
We then breakdown how Alan Moore took stories that were happening in politics in the real world in 1985 and used this story as an allegory for Krypton. The messages Moore was trying to get across in the story are as relevant today as they will be for years to come.
Listen to the podcast and do yourself a favor and get a copy of this annual to read.
It’s our 150th podcast so let’s celebrate by talking about a comic that is over 30 years old!
It’s a special milestone podcast so I wanted to talk about a special comic mini-series that was influential and had an impact on the comics industry as well as Jon and myself. That series is… The Watchmen.
Originally published by DC between 1986 – 1987, this seminal series was written by Alan Moore with art by Dave Gibbons.
We were so excited about this series that John and I both flub our opening lines (it’s in the podcast – I barely ever edit anything). This is what I was trying to read:
“How did a min-series about a superhero team comprised of a psychopath, a sociopath, a meglomaniacal narcissistic egomaniac, an impotent self-doubting fanboy, a daughter trying to live up to a legacy’s expectations and an uncaring, indifferent god become one of the most awarded, beloved and reverent comics of all time?”
This is the question we ask and we do a pretty good job trying to answer it. We enjoyed the comic and hope you enjoy the podcast.
A few weeks ago, DC launch their most audacious comic yet – Doomsday Clock. It is a direct sequel to the critically acclaimed Watchman miniseries and it will tie the Watchmen universe directly into the DC universe. Quite a bold undertaking to say the least.
The writer of this series is Geoff Johns. He has written some great story lines for Superman, Green Lantern and the JLA that have earned him critical praise. If there was on person to pick up where Alan Moore left off, Geoff Johns would be on the short list.
The series is penciled by Gary Frank. He is an accomplished artist in the comic industry. I have been a fan of his work since I saw it on Peter David’s run of The Incredible Hulk. Gary Frank is the perfect person to pick to fill the shoes of Dave Gibson.
Together, they are taking on the thankless task of continuing the adventures of The Watchmen in Doomsday Clock.
The first issue is out so Jon and I read it and we give a review of it on the podcast. We also speculate on how the identity is of the new Rorschach. We go on to talk about what may happen in the upcoming series. We had a good time with the comic and talking about its future. Did you know if you initialize the miniseries it would be DC’s DC? Weird.
What does the title “Missed The Bus” comics mean? It means great comic series that have been published but for what ever reason Jon and/or myself have never read. The alternative title I have for this podcast is “Whats The Matter With You Dummies!?”
Hard to believe that there are some comics that exist out there that Jon or myself have not read. This is a true fact! There are some many comics that exist that we cannot get to all of them so some of the gems get left in the mine. Today, we talk about 3 of those series which are:
DMZ – Vertigo/DC
A Distant Soil – Image Comics
100 Bullets – Vertigo/DC
We talk about why we missed reading them when they were first released, why we want to read them now and is it even possible to read comics that are no longer being published?
Just so you know, I have read DMZ and 100 Bullets. It is only A Distant Soil that we both have not read.
We did a 2 part tribute podcast to Alan Moore a few weeks ago and in the podcast, I mentioned Marvelman (Miracleman here in the States). I said that I did not want to just mention it as part of Moore’s body of work. I wanted to do an entire podcast on the comic series. Well, the time has come. Jon and I sit down and talk about the first story arc “Book 1: A Dream of Flying“
We do a brief history on who is Marvelman/Miracleman and how did Alan Moore get the opportunity to write him.
We then move into the story and discuss how a comic story that is over 30 years old is still extremely relevant to comics, TV and movies today.
Here are the characters that we are introduced to: Marvelman (left) and Kid Marvelman (right).
We start to talk about how this story was mature and it dealt with scientific and philosophical topics that were ahead of its time. We feel its influence can be seen in things like the movie, The Matrix and the Ron Moore’s version of Battlestar Galactica.
Here is Evelyn Creme – Can you trust a man with sapphire teeth?
Moore took a cheesy, cartoon character from the 60s and modernized him into a realistic superhero of the 80s and the transition made sense (well for a comic story).
Does this page represent a new beginning for humanity or its end?
At the end of the podcast, we theorize on stories and authors that may have influenced Alan Moore when he was creating Marvelman/Miracleman.
We had a great time recording this one and we hope you laugh and learn something new after listening to it.
Alan Moore, who has penned some of the greatest comic stories ever written, stated that he will be retiring from comics after all his current Avatar Press comics are completed.
Jon and I are really big fans of his work so we decided to go over his body of comic work and discuss some of our favorite books.
This is not a complete list of everything that has been published by Alan Moore. This is a list of titles that Jon and I compiled that we think are excellent reads and we highly recommend picking these up in trades.
This is a 2 part conversation. In this podcast, we cover the following and more:
D.R and Quinch
V for Vendetta
I also talk about the ground breaking Marvelman (AKA Miracleman here in the states). Here is the page that I read that let me know that I was in for a great and epic tale:
This is from the original run and not the recent Marvel reprints.
All the titles that we cover in this podcast are worth their own individual podcasts and we will be returning to some of them in the future.