Welcome back to Comics Misremembered Podcast. We are continuing our discussion on The Immortal Hulk. We are going over the 2nd story arc (issues 6 – 10) which is called “The Green Door“.
Let’s reintroduce the creators of this grand tale:
Writer: Al Ewing
Artists: Jon Bennet, Lee Garbett, Martin Simmons
Inkers: Ruy Jose, Le Beau Underwood & Rafael Fonteriz
Colorist: Paul Mounts
We start with the Hulk still at large and now being pursued by The Avengers for all the destruction he has caused since his resurrection. The Avengers confront Bruce Banner…
A fight ensues and the Hulk almost gets away but Tony Stark pulls out his Ace in the Hole – The Helios Weapon and knocks the Immortal Hulk out.
The Hulk is turned over to the United States Hulk Operations AKA Shadow Base. This is a military organization run by the General Reginald “Reggie” Fortean – the premiere hulk hunter. He has plans for Bruce Banner and The Immortal Hulk but I don’t think Bruce or the Hulk will cooperate willingly with those plans…
We continue the story and review of The Immortal Hulk in the podcast.
***Warning – There are spoilers in the podcast!!***
Jon and I both agree that this is will ultimately be an epic story run and will have a profound impact on Hulk lore for years to come. We highly recommend that you pick up the 2 trades we reviewed and continue on with the story.
Also, I referenced A Tell-Tale Heart on the podcast specifically mentioning a animated short from the 1950s that was narrated by James Mason. I found the clip on YouTube! Here it is:
I am very excited about tonight’s podcast. We will be reviewing the first story arc of the Immortal Hulk # 1 – 5. The story arc is called “Or Is He Both?“
I am excited because I have been reading this in issues for the last 2 years and think it is one of the best written, drawn, inked and colored stories of the last few years. This is not hyperbole. When the creators of this book finish their run, it will go down as one of the best Hulk stories of all time. Jon has not read the series so I gave him “Or Is He Both?” and we discuss the book.
Writer: Al Ewing
Artist: Joe Bennet
Ink: Ruy Jose
Colorist: Paul Mounts
***SPOILERS IN THE PODCAST***
The story opens with a Carl Gustav Jung quote:
“There are two people in every mirror. There is the one you can see…
and there’s the other one.”
Jon and I explore some of Jung’s psychological concepts, what that quote means and how it is applicable to Dr. Bruce Banner and his relationship with the Hulk.
We go on to talk about the ties the second issue has with the Incredible Hulk TV show from the 70s and the unique story telling of issue three.
We end the podcast with Jon’s opinion of the first story arc and if he is as excited as I am to talk about the second story arc next week.
If you can’t find the original issues, Marvel has reprinted a good chunk of them and they are called The Director’s Cut – they feature some supplemental material that wasn’t in the original release.
We don’t spoil everything in the podcast but we will next week so go out and read this comic and join use for part 2 next week!
Over the last few years, HBO has teased use with this image…
This is interesting. People never thought the original miniseries Watchmen would ever get a movie adaptation and it eventually did. Now, HBO wants to make it a TV show based on the original comic? This did not seem like a good idea.
The series was partially written and produced by Damon Lindelof, who has success, to varying degrees with other sacred franchises like Star Wars and Star Trek so he seems like the best choice for this series.
Time goes on and I have not heard a peep regarding the show until within the last few weeks. The premier episode was viewed at the New York Comic Con and fans got a taste of the new show and overall, the reaction was surprisingly positive.
Jon and I watched the premier episode, along with millions of other people and we came to the conclusion – The show was very strong and seems to have legs.
****SPOILERS AHEAD AND IN THE PODCAST****
In this week’s podcast we are going to talk about…
All of these images. We will try to answer questions like: Who is Looking Glass and what is his “Pod” used for? Who is Sister Night and are her origins tied to the original miniseries? Why are the cops wearing masks? Who are the Seventh Kalvary? We ask a whole lot more questions and look for clues on a few conspiracy theories like does the show really tie into the comic timeline or is it in it’s own universe?
It is October, time for playoff baseball, Halloween decorations to be in stores and another season of The Walking Dead on AMC.
The Season 10 premier was on October 6th and normally, we would do a review podcast on the premier episode a week later but since the Joker movie came out the same time, we decided to wait a week and review 2 episodes!
In episode 1, the show stars with several members of the Alexandria coalition on the beach of Oceanside using shields and spears to fight walkers. Could they be training for something else…
There was also a satellite that came crashing down into the woods on the Whisperers side of the border. The Coalition decided that it was more important to break the truce and cross the boarder to put out the fire than maintain detente. Will Eugene be able to use that satellite for anything? Jon has some theories.
In episode 2, we learn the origin of Alpha and Beta. It is the beginnings of the Whisperers and how they form their dogma. Jon goes over his theory of the difference of having a name, no name and a Greco-Roman name in the Whisperers culture.
We end the podcast on a feature that has become very popular on the CM Podcast – Jim Spoils the Season segment.
That’s right, I will spoil the rest of the season for you – well just up to the mid-season finale. How do I do this? The show follows the story line from the comic. The comic is about 4 years ahead of the show. I have read the comic but Jon has not. I make some guesses based on the comic and we will review how accurate I was at the mid-season finale.
Here is a page from the comic that I reference in the podcast…
Oh, that Negan. He should write inspirational posters that have kittens on them. I also explain who the young boy is on this page. Will he make an appearance on the show? Maybe…
Thanks for listening and we will see you in seven.
There was a small, independent movie that came out last Friday called The Joker. You may have heard about it…
Yes, the stripped down, grimy, throwback Joker movie sans Batman came out last week and we went to see it.
There was loads of hype about the movie prior to its October 4th release. Several sources were heralding the performance of Joaquin Phoenix as Arthur Fleck/The Joker and the movie had even won some film awards. There were also some people worrying that since the movie is all Joker and no Batman that it would incite riots and violence on its release.
Did the movie live up to the media hype? Were there riots in the streets similar to the support of the comment people for Joker in the movie?
Well, no and no.
Sorry, Joker but this movie was…underwhelming. It did not live up to the hyperbole that all the critics were giving it. It was a very average movie. Jon and I go over the movie using historical real life events that inspired the writers, compare it against similar films, talk about the “Is Joker an allegory for mental illness in America” debate, why it’s impossible to root for the bad guy and talk about how the movie could have been much better.
The movie does have some cool posters like this…
but style over substance is not going to win you any Oscars.
Every week, new comics arrive at your local comic shop. It is our job to tell you about the very best that is out there and what you should be reading.
For this New Comic Review, we have 4 comics that have come out within the last 2 weeks and we highly recommend that you pick up. We will give you a review of the comics. We keep these reviews mostly spoiler free.
Review # 1 by Jon
Grimm Tales of Terror presents The Bridgewater Triangle #1 (of 3)
Written by: Brian Studler
Artists: Deivis Goetten and Maxflan Araujo
Review # 2 by Jim
Inferior 5 # 1 (of 12)
Writers: Keith Giffen and Jeff Lemire
Artists: Keith Giffen and Jeff Lemire
Review # 3 by Jon
Grendel: Devil’s Odyssey # 1
Written and Art by Matt Wagner
Publisher: Dark Horse Comics
Review # 4 by Jim
Dead Eyes # 1
Written by Gerry Duggan
Art by John McCrea
Published by Image Comics
You may recognize this comic by another title called Dead Rabbits. It did a review for it in CM Podcast 178 which you can listen to here:
Back in 2017, I saw a trade paperback for a books called Sugar & Spike: Metahuman Investigations. The cover looked interesting but what caught my eye was the writer – Keith Giffen.
Keith Giffen is a well known writer and artist that has worked on high profile books like Legion of Superheroes and JLA. He is one of my favorite writers because he loves to inject humor in his projects. The 80s JLA is a great example of telling superhero stories with humor instead of the normal grim and gritty style that was popular at the time.
I wasn’t too familiar with the artist Bilquis Evely but I looked at a few pages and really liked her style for this book so I immediately picked it up.
Now, you may not be too familiar with the titular duo and that is okay. These characters were created back in the 50s by writer and artist Sheldon Mayer. They were originally baby characters that were in a funny book. Here is an example of Mayer’s version of Sugar & Spike:
In the podcast, Jon and I go through Sugar & Spike’s cases and we point out that all of their cases are based on silly DC silver age story lines and Giffen pays homage to these classics. One of the pages of the comic references the exact comics:
We both highly recommend this book for the art and humorous story. Jon mentions that this book reminded him of the old Moonlighting show and that is a great example of why this book works: a pair of opposites begrudgingly work together to solve crimes while knocking each other down a peg.
There probably will never be a sequel or follow up so I will just have to enjoy what I have and re-read it again.
We had originally planned to do a comic review this week but I had recently been to my local departments store and saw that X-Men: Dark Phoenix recently came out on Blu Ray and 4K Hi Def Disc (just like comics, I like my movie’s physical, not digital). So on a whim, I picked up a copy of the movie and asked Jon if he’s like to watch it and use it as the topic of discussion for this week’s podcast.
Guess what? He decided it was a great idea, so we watched it. We both decided to go in with low expectations and see what kind of story were we going to get. Well, the movie is a bit of a mixed bag. We like some parts and hated other parts. Overall, we both agree it was ‘okay’.
Listen to the podcast for our full review and why we recommend watching this movie depending on you level of love for the source material.
Listen to the Dark Phoenix Saga podcasts to find out why this epic story will probably never be filmed correctly.
Here at Comics Misremembered Podcast, we like to uncover hidden comics, movies, shows, etc. that you may not have heard about but are definitely worth your time.
This week, we are talking about the super hero movie called Super.
It was an independent movie that was written and directed by James Gunn (Guardians of the Galaxy 1 & 2) and it came out in 2010. It starts Rainn Wilson as Frank Darbo who becomes the vigilante super hero Crimson Bolt. Ellen Page stars as Libby who becomes Boltie, his youth side kick. Together they fight crime and try to rescue Frank’s wife, Sarah – played by Liv Tyler.
Here is the trailer of the movie…
In the podcast, I talk about the problems Super had on its initial release but how it is regarded as a cult movie. This is Jon’s first time seeing it and he thought it was great – very funny tempered with dramatic moments. I thought this movie was great back in 2010 and upon watching it again, it still holds up.
The other interesting fact about this movie that I forgot to mention in the podcast is that it ties into Brightburn (another movie we reviewed) and is part of the Brightburn universe if you watch the end credits.
Time Warner has a cool app called DC Universe that carries all the DC Heroes animated shows like Batman TAS, Superman TAS, Justice League Unlimited, and more.
It also has new and exclusive live action hero shows like Titans, Doom Patrol and Swamp Thing.
Jon and I recently subscribed to the DC Universe app to watch Doom Patrol (and we hope to review it soon) but we stated to like some of the other shows too. We both had little knowledge about Swamp Thing so we started to watch Season 1 and we both really liked it. We like it’s American Gothic setting and story. We like characters and the actors that played them. We like the special effects and the horror elements. We consumed all 10 episodes wanting more and we found out the Warner Media cancelled the series!!
In the podcast, we talk about what we knew about Swamp Thing prior to watching the show and what we really liked about the show itself. We also explain what Phantom Stranger and Blue Demon have to do with the show.
You don’t know about these 2 obscure characters are? That’s great because we share a little info on who they are and why they fit perfectly in the Swamp Thing show.
We lament on what could be with a Season 2 and other characters that would have been introduced like Anton Arcane.
We recommend checking out the DC universe app and the Swamp Thing show now before it is removed. Maybe if enough people watch the show, we can get a 2nd season!
We like to do new comics reviews every once in a while because there are always new series coming out that need attention. We like to let our listeners know about new writers and artists out there that are putting out some high quality comics!
This week we are reviewing 4 new comics series that are all limited series. These comics have come out in the last 3 weeks so you should be able to find them physically or digitally.
Here are the 4 reviews and we highly recommend that you pick up all 4 of these books:
Review #1 – Jon review
Once and Future # 1
Writer: Kieron Gillen
Artist: Dan Mora
Publisher: Boom! Studios
Review #2 – Jim Review
Black Hammer/Justice League #1 and 2
Writer: Jeff Lemire
Artist: Michael Walsh
Publisher: Dark Horse Comics/ DC
Review #3 – Jon Review
Doctor Mirage #1
Writer: Magdalene Visaggio
Artist: Nick Robles
Review #4 – Jim Review
Tommy Gun Wizards #1
Writer: Christian Ward
Artist: Sami Kivela
Publisher: Dark Horse Comics
4 different comics from 4 different genres. All are great reads with fantastic art. We highly recommend picking up all the books and listen to the podcast to find out why we recommend them.
Back in 1990, DC editors allowed Howard Chaykin and Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez to use some of their beloved 1950 and 1960s Sci-Fi characters to be used in a very mature and violent miniseries.
Twilight is quite an oddity. DC only has a few comics that were released dealing with mature themes up to this point and not many after Twilight.
Chaykin and Garcia-Lopez use zany characters like Tommy Tomorrow, The Star Rovers, Star Harkins (now called Axel Starkins), Ilda and Jon Starkins and put them into a comic that deals with politics, religion, civil liberties and many more mature themes. Some of the characters are totally opposite of their 90s counter part like Tommy Tomorrow.
I don’t know who came up with the concept and pitch but I am glad this comic was made. It is a fresh and different idea for DC at the time and it still holds up re-reading it. This is Jon’s first exposure to it and he really had a good time talking about it.
We also talk about the history of the original characters from the 50s and 60s and how the atomic bomb influenced the creation of these characters and how the cold war impacted the imagination of writers and film makers during that time.
Jon and I normally will go to the Boston Comic Con (now called the Fan Expo Boston) and that is being held this weekend (8/16 – 8/18) but we will not be attending this year. :0
The reason we are not going is nothing that Fan Expo Boston did; they have always put together a good show. The real reason we are not going is that we found a better Comic Con called TerrifiCon. It was held last weekend (8/9 – 8/11) at the Mohegan Sun Casino in Connecticut and it had 3 times as many comic creators than the Fan Expo Boston!
This con has been going on for a few years now and this was our first trip there and also to Mohegan Sun. We had a great time at both!
In the podcast, we talk about the trip from Boston to Connecticut and our experience in the Mohegan Sun and meeting all the writers and artist that were at the con.
We really enjoyed ourselves and look forward to 2020 lineup. Go to www.terrificon.com for more details.
The X-Men soft rebooted again last week (is this like the 4th one so far? I lost count) but I ain’t even mad at you, Marvel for doing it.
I was really enjoying the last incarnation of the Uncanny X-Men that started up last year and then I heard that they were going to stop Uncanny again (Ugh!) and restart with 2 new books: House of X #1 and Powers of X #1.
Now the names aren’t so great – House of X sounds like a 1990s fashion show and Powers of X sounds like a math book, but I was very excited about the creative teams on these books.
House of X is by writer Jonathan Hickman with art by Pepe Larraz
Powers of X is by writer Jonathan Hickman with art by R. B. Silva
Having read other Jonathan Hickman Marvel projects like Fantastic Four, Avengers and Secret Wars – I knew that the X-Men were in good hands and we can expect a really compelling story.
This is exactly what we got. Jon and I review the first 2 issues of House of X and the 1 issue of Powers of X that have come out so far. What I like best about these 2 series is that if you are new to the X-Men or a long time reader (like us), you start on the same page by getting introduced to familiar characters but in a new situation and trying to figure out where the story will go next. Sit back and enjoy the ride.
Spoilers on this podcast – we talk about the story in both but since it is only the beginning, there isn’t much to spoil. Jon and I take guesses on what the creative teams will do next.
At this time each year, there is the San Diego Comic Con – one of the oldest, largest comic cons. At this comic con, writers and artists get together to celebrate their peers with the Eisner Awards.
We like to cover the nominees to find out about stories that we may have missed during the year and to see if what we recommended in our “New Comic Review” podcasts get nominated. Here is a list of the categories and order that we cover in this podcast…
Best Short Story
• “Get Naked in Barcelona,” by Steven T. Seagle and Emei Olivia Burrell, in Get Naked (Image)
• “The Ghastlygun Tinies,” by Matt Cohen and Marc Palm, in MADmagazine #4 (DC)
• “Here I Am,” by Shaun Tan, in I Feel Machine (SelfMadeHero)
• “Life During Interesting Times,” by Mike Dawson (The Nib),
• “Supply Chains,” by Peter and Maria Hoey, in Coin-Op #7 (Coin-Op Books)
• Winner: “The Talk of the Saints,” by Tom King and Jason Fabok, in Swamp Thing Winter Special (DC)
Best Single Issue/One-Shot
• Beneath the Dead Oak Tree, by Emily Carroll (ShortBox)
• Black Hammer: Cthu-Louise, by Jeff Lemire and Emi Lenox (Dark Horse)
• No Better Words, by Carolyn Nowak (Silver Sprocket)
• Winner: Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man #310, by Chip Zdarsky (Marvel)
• The Terrible Elisabeth Dumn Against the Devils In Suits, by Arabson, translated by James Robinson (IHQ Studio/ Image)
Best Continuing Series
• Batman, by Tom King et al. (DC)
• Black Hammer: Age of Doom, by Jeff Lemire, Dean Ormston, and Rich Tommaso (Dark Horse)
• Gasolina, by Sean Mackiewicz and Niko Walter (Skybound/Image)
• Winner: Giant Days, by John Allison, Max Sarin, and Julaa Madrigal (Boom Box)
• The Immortal Hulk, by Al Ewing, Joe Bennett, and Ruy José (Marvel)
• Runaways, by Rainbow Rowell and Kris Anka (Marvel)
Best Limited Series
• Batman: White Knight, by Sean Murphy (DC)
• Eternity Girl, by Magdalene Visaggio and Sonny Liew (Vertigo/DC)
• Exit Stage Left: The Snagglepuss Chronicles, by Mark Russell, Mike Feehan, and Mark Morales (DC)
• Winner: Mister Miracle, by Tom King and Mitch Gerads (DC)
• X-Men: Grand Design: Second Genesis, by Ed Piskor (Marvel)
Best New Series
• Bitter Root, by David Walker, Chuck Brown, and Sanford Green (Image)
• Crowded, by Christopher Sebela, Ro Stein, and Ted Brandt (Image)
• Winner: Gideon Falls, by Jeff Lemire and Andrea Sorrentino (Image)
• Isola, by Brenden Fletcher and Karl Kerschl (Image)
• Man-Eaters, by Chelsea Cain and Kate Niemczyk (Image)
• Skyward, by Joe Henderson and Lee Garbett (Image)
• Winner: The Contradictions, by Sophie Yanow
• Lavender Jack, by Dan Schkade (WEBTOON)
• Let’s Play, by Mongie (WEBTOON)
• Lore Olympus, by Rachel Smythe, (WEBTOON)
• Tiger, Tiger, by Petra Erika Nordlund, (Hiveworks)
• Alex de Campi, Bad Girls (Gallery 13); Twisted Romance (Image)
• Winner: Tom King, Batman, Mister Miracle, Heroes in Crisis, Swamp Thing Winter Special (DC)
• Jeff Lemire, Black
Hammer: Age of Doom, Doctor Star & the Kingdom of Lost Tomorrows,
Quantum Age (Dark Horse); Descender, Gideon Falls, Royal City(Image)
• Mark Russell, Exit
Stage Left: The Snagglepuss Chronicles, Green Lantern/Huckleberry Hound,
Lex Luthor/Porky Pig (DC); Lone Ranger(Dynamite)
• Kelly Thompson,
Nancy Drew (Dynamite); Hawkeye, Jessica Jones, Mr. & Mrs. X, Rogue
& Gambit, Uncanny X-Men, West Coast Avengers (Marvel)
• Chip Zdarsky, Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man, Marvel Two-in-One(Marvel)
• Sophie Campbell, Wet Moon (Oni)
• Nick Drnaso, Sabrina (Drawn & Quarterly)
• David Lapham, Lodger (Black Crown/IDW); Stray Bullets (Image)
• Nate Powell, Come Again (Top Shelf/IDW)
• Tony Sandoval, Watersnakes (Magnetic/Lion Forge)
• Winner: Jen Wang, The Prince and the Dressmaker (First Second) [Also won for Best Publication for Teens]
Best Penciller/Inker or Penciller/Inker Team
• Matías Bergara, Coda (Boom)
• Winner: Mitch Gerads, Mister Miracle (DC)
• Karl Kerschl, Isola (Image)
• Sonny Liew, Eternity Girl (Vertigo/DC)
• Sean Phillips, Kill or Be Killed, My Heroes Have Always Been Junkies (Image)